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Three wrestlers with Kentucky ties advance to Worlds
By Mark Maloney 6/25/2001
HERALD-LEADER STAFF WRITER
CINCINNATI When in doubt, go back to the basics.
That simple philosophy ensured that Kentucky will be well represented in the World Championships of Wrestling, to be held Sept. 26-29 in New York's Madison Square Garden.
Former Henry Clay wrestler Dominic Black, Cumberland College recruit Toccara Montgomery and former Cumberland coach Stephanie Murata all earned spots on the American team yesterday. Each emerged from the best two-out-of-three championship finals of the World Team Trials at Xavier University's Cintas Center.
Black, the reigning national freestyle champion at 97 kilograms (2133/4 pounds), dropped his opening match 7-4 to Chad Lamer. He responded with 3-1 and 5-1 victories.
``I got back to what got me here, my defense parterre (on-the-mat wrestling),'' said Black, a 1986 state high school champion for Henry Clay. ``That trapped-arm gut (wrench) hurt me early, and I knew I wasn't going to give up any more turns after that.
``Once you have confidence in your parterre defense, everything else is going to happen, for me anyways.''
Black, 31, placed fourth in the 1999 World Championships in Turkey. The West Virginia University graduate, who trains at the U.S. Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs as part of the Army's World Class Athlete Program, thinks he's better prepared for the Worlds this time around.
``I've had five solid years to train at the Training Center, and each year you get a little better,'' he said. ``We have a great staff out there. ... It's extra special being here to wrestle in the United States, too. And it's extra special being this close to Lexington, too. I was excited for my mom (Emma) to come up.''
Black beat Lamer in April to win the national title at Las Vegas. He also beat Lamer to reach the finals of last year's U.S. Olympic Trials. In the finals, though, Black tore two ligaments in his left knee and wound up defaulting to eight-time national champion Melvin Douglas.
``I've got to try to make it to 2004,'' Black said. ``This is my second World team. I need to get a medal this year and then get on the Olympic team.''
Montgomery, who was born about the time Black was starting high school, also used basic strategy in defeating Kristie Marano for the women's 1493/4-pound title. After winning the opener 12-6, Montgomery was pinned at 5:54 of the second match. In the third match, she trailed by three points before tying with one swift move, then going on to win 9-8 in overtime.
``I had to do what I could to get those three points,'' Montgomery said, ``and my double (-leg) was my strongest takedown. That's what I went back to, my basics.''
Did we mention that Marano, 32, is the reigning world champ? Or that Montgomery only started wrestling three years ago?
Montgomery, 18, who hails from Jesse Owens' alma mater, East Tech in Cleveland, already handled Marano earlier this year to win the national title. Montgomery also was named outstanding wrestler of the nationals.
At Cumberland, she'll have a full scholarship and possibly a world title in her pocket when she begins school. From Cleveland to Williamsburg?
``Completely different,'' Montgomery said of the change. ``A lot smaller. Nothing to do, really, other than become a great wrestler and to get my academics down.''
Murata, a 1121/4-pounder who left Cumberland in order to focus on her own wrestling, will be making her fifth trip to the Worlds. Her best finish, fourth twice, came in 1998 and 1999. Yesterday, she whipped last year's World silver medalist, Patricia Miranda, 4-0 and 3-0.
``I've always been very, very close and never quite been able to grab (a World medal),'' said Murata, who trains at East Lansing, Mich. ``I think, this year, I've had a chance to see a little different (vantage point) from coaching and different things. I've sort of taken a step back a little bit, and I think that's really improved my wrestling and will benefit me for the World Championships.''
Other winners included all three Greco-Roman medalists from the Sydney Olympics: Rulon Gardner (gold, 286 pounds), Matt Lindland (silver, 1871/4), and Garrett Lowney (bronze, 2133/4). Gardner celebrated a pair of 3-0 overtime victories over Dremiel Byers by turning a cartwheel. Other Greco-Roman Olympians who won were James Gruenwald (1273/4) and Kevin Bracken (1383/4). Gruenwald beat 1996 Olympic silver medalist Dennis Hall.
In freestyle, 2000 Olympian Kerry McCoy (286) beat 1999 world champion Stephen Neal.
Women's winners included Tricia Saunders (1011/4) and Iris Smith (1651/4). Saunders is a four-time world champion. Smith, a two-time national champion, beat Sandra Bacher, the 1999 world champ at 1493/4.
``It's extra special being here to wrestle in the United States. ... And it's extra special being this close to Lexington, too.''
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TUMWATER -- Ginelle Marquez highlighted a 48-36 non-league wrestling win for Black Hills on Monday, winning by fall in the varsity 135-pound match.
All eight matches wrestled ended with pins. The other six were forfeited.
Marquez -- a senior in her third wrestling season with the Wolves -- pinned Montesano's Brandon Smith late in the first round at 135 pounds. It was her second career victory and first pin.
Marquez and younger sister Jenny both wrestle for Black Hills.
"She got the head-and-arm and muscled him over," Black Hills assistant Dave Haynie said. "He turned her over; she posted. Every time he rolled, she posted and back they came.
"We talked her into walking around the head and she had it tight. She walked around and both shoulders hit."
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"We talked her into walking around the head and she had it tight."
At least he had this going for him.
You've got to feel sorry the kid she pinned, he will never live it down.
1 posted on 1/15/02 9:17 AM Pacific by Olydawg
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My nephew's wrestling team featured a girl that won the league championship!
2 posted on 1/15/02 9:22 AM Pacific by Oldeconomybuyer
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Are you serious? What weight division?
3 posted on 1/15/02 9:26 AM Pacific by Olydawg
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She was probably about 100lbs or so. I saw her wrestle once and she was very good! Abiline, KS high school a couple of years ago. Frankly, I don't think this is THAT unusual in the midwest.
4 posted on 1/15/02 9:29 AM Pacific by Oldeconomybuyer
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You've got to feel sorry the kid she pinned, he will never live it down.
I have a friend who, while playing QB in high school, got his collarbone broken by a girl.
Of course, she was a 300-lb defensive tackle who started for Belle Glade High School, essentially the farm team for the U. of Miami. "She came through the line like it was tissue paper...."
5 posted on 1/15/02 9:31 AM Pacific by r9etb
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Maybe I shouldn't be so surprised. In my neck of the woods this is rather unusual though. I imagine it would be rather odd wrestling a girl.
6 posted on 1/15/02 9:34 AM Pacific by Olydawg
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Amazing, though I would think getting pinned by a girl would be more humiliating. Did she attempt to play in college?
7 posted on 1/15/02 9:35 AM Pacific by Olydawg
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Not too surprising. Anyone who has wrestled competitively knows that its all about speed, balance, leverage, and strength, in that order. I was one of the strongest guys on my wrestling team (weight lifter), but guys smaller than me would routinely tie me up in knots! Quite frustrating. Of course, once I learned how to wrestle pretty decently, it was another story all together.
8 posted on 1/15/02 9:39 AM Pacific by Paradox
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"Belle Glade High School"
I visited that High School for one reason or another when I was a kid about 30 years ago. The thing that stands out most in my mind was all the go-carts and mini-bikes the kids rode to school.
9 posted on 1/15/02 9:43 AM Pacific by Rebelbase
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Don't forget endurance !
10 posted on 1/15/02 9:43 AM Pacific by UCANSEE2
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This particular girl was just a good wrestler. She wore a special garmet on her torso so I don't think her sexuality was an issue at all. I do think the boys she whipped probably got a few jabs from their buddies.
11 posted on 1/15/02 9:47 AM Pacific by Oldeconomybuyer
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I wrestled a girl in a tournament my Sophomore year of high school. It was kind of a no win situation, since if you win you just beat up on a woman and if you lose, well...let's not even think about it. One of the guys on my team was actually dating this broad and he told me to really hammer her because he was sick of her trying to make a "statement" by going out for the wrestling team at her school. I wish I could say she was cute but she was more Rosie O'Donnel than Pamela Anderson. My coach just told me to get it over with. Anyway, she came straight at me like Hillary on Vince and I pinned her in 13 seconds with an arm bar. Ugly thing put up a fight though. I think she actually scored some points against some poor sap later that season. I feel sorry for the kid in the article. I don't mind losing to girls in tennis or golf, but not wrestling--unless its on a waterbed.
12 posted on 1/15/02 9:48 AM Pacific by Callahan
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Amazing, though I would think getting pinned by a girl would be more humiliating.
Probably so. OTOH, I'm guessing that her father doesn't have to worry too much about her dates' behavior.
Did she attempt to play in college?
I have no idea -- though as a female starter on at a perennial championship school, one would suppose so. At the very least, the teen-pregnancy prospects for a 300-lb defensive tackle seem limited....
13 posted on 1/15/02 9:48 AM Pacific by r9etb
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Girls have no business wrestling boys in high school meets. As another poster said, it is all about speed and agility, along with strength. And I'm not saying girls can't beat boys, 'cause they do.
However, it is a no win situation for the boy. If he wins he beat a girl, no one is impresssed. If he loses, he is mocked.
I saw a wrestling meet with a girl. The guy had her down, and reached down and got a handful of beav. He immediately let go, it was pretty obvious, that it was a "oh, I shouldn't be grabbing there." So he gave up position, because of the sex difference. If my son ever goes out for wrestling, I would tell him to immediately forfeit if he has to wrestle a girl. Then I would tell him to go out for the girls volleyball team, as they do not offer boys volleyball. That would put the feminists in a quandary eh?
14 posted on 1/15/02 9:48 AM Pacific by Pappy Smear
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Some guy around here went out for girls field hockey at a local high school. I don't know if it was a goof or what. He actually wore the skirt and everything! I think he was pretty good. Don't know if he made all-state.
15 posted on 1/15/02 9:57 AM Pacific by Callahan
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he will never live it down.
I can imagine a kid killing himself over this sort of (perceived) humiliation. Teenagers are not the most rational creatures even under the best circumstances.
16 posted on 1/15/02 10:01 AM Pacific by mountaineer
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Of course, she was a 300-lb defensive tackle who started for Belle Glade High School, essentially the farm team for the U. of Miami
The far team explains it..She sounds like a Mad Cow
17 posted on 1/15/02 10:02 AM Pacific by Blackdakota
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Anyone who has wrestled competitively knows that its all about speed, balance, leverage, and strength, in that order
Women have much less muscle mass then men, and thats usually the difference. There is the occasional exception, and before puberty girls at the lower weights in the kids leagues have some success. But if strength wasnt much of a factor you'd see a lot more females on High school teams, you can bet your bottom dollar on that!
18 posted on 1/15/02 10:05 AM Pacific by Nonstatist
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I can imagine a kid killing himself over this sort of (perceived) humiliation. Teenagers are not the most rational creatures even under the best circumstances.
Gimme a break! I can certainly think of things I'd want to get pinned by less than a sweaty teenage girl. This will probably fuel his fantasy life for years to come.
19 posted on 1/15/02 10:05 AM Pacific by ron_paul_fan
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The don't hold a candle to The Cabbage Patch wrestlers!
20 posted on 1/15/02 10:09 AM Pacific by RedBloodedAmerican
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Spotnick's Cabbage Patch
Click on "Coleslaw Wrestling".
Now THAT is wrestling!
21 posted on 1/15/02 10:12 AM Pacific by RedBloodedAmerican
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WARNING: Some of the images are *ahem* changed since I saw this website last. And there is no warning. Click at own risk.
22 posted on 1/15/02 10:14 AM Pacific by RedBloodedAmerican
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If my son ever goes out for wrestling, I would tell him to immediately forfeit if he has to wrestle a girl.
Six matches in the above competition were forfeited. I wonder if this was the reason?
23 posted on 1/15/02 10:14 AM Pacific by PBRSTREETGANG
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he will never live it down.
Probably right - I smell a phych lawsuit against the school board for allowing them to promote a function that so damaged his psyche.
24 posted on 1/15/02 10:15 AM Pacific by Revelation 911
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handful of beav
THAT shoulda been my SCREEN NAME ! ! !
[ kicking self . . . ]
25 posted on 1/15/02 10:21 AM Pacific by Alarm Clock
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*LOL*...I am not gonna even ask how you *ahem* stumbled across that website! *LOL*
Turned me off coleslaw mind you, thanks :-)
26 posted on 1/15/02 10:26 AM Pacific by Happygal
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It's simply disgusting that the Feminists have pushed forward making girls and boys wrestle together. With things like this its really no wonder that many 3rd world countries who have traditional moralities find the USA a cesspool.
In such a "high touch" sport, one has to be able to reach and grab any part of the body, as I well remember in my own wretstling in PE. It's simply immoral that kids of the opposite sex--in puberty no less--should be asked to do this...besides the destructiveness of the boy's fragile adolescent ego. I wonder if any boys (or girls) have refused a match for (quite reasonable) religious/moral reasons--and I wonder the government schools' response to such...
27 posted on 1/15/02 10:26 AM Pacific by AnalogReigns
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It's not that far from my house. Can't miss it when you hear 10,000 Harleys rumbling down the freeway to it.
28 posted on 1/15/02 10:27 AM Pacific by RedBloodedAmerican
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Going to be in Daytona in March?
29 posted on 1/15/02 10:28 AM Pacific by RedBloodedAmerican
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handful of beav
It's not too late to kill your account and join again in honor of Mrs. Cleaver's frustration.
30 posted on 1/15/02 10:28 AM Pacific by Wm Bach
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So, how many frames did you have to use to get the panoramic view of the field???
Oh, btw, I think I'm going to move to Ireland.
31 posted on 1/15/02 10:30 AM Pacific by Tennessee_Bob
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LOL!
I know; the website (The Cabbage Patch wrestlers!)isn't that good at loading. They probably have a cheap server.
32 posted on 1/15/02 10:30 AM Pacific by RedBloodedAmerican
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Check out Joey's Wrestling Room if you have a greater interest in this subject. The Tiny Tornado looks tough!
34 posted on 1/15/02 10:43 AM Pacific by flim-flam
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I know; the website( The Cabbage Patch wrestlers!)isn't that good at loading. They probably have a cheap server.
You know, everyone else's load times would be greatly reduced if you weren't sitting on the site constantly refreshing...the pictures aren't going to change...or get better, for that matter....
35 posted on 1/15/02 10:46 AM Pacific by Tennessee_Bob
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Then I would tell him to go out for the girls volleyball team, as they do not offer boys volleyball. That would put the feminists in a quandary eh?
All girl's sports exist as such by excluding (discriminating against?) boys.
As the father of two women and one man, I've seen the situation. My daughter gleefully played rec-league soccer, and enjoyed making rough plays. I just didn't have an answer for it; I could hardly forbid her playing a sport she enjoyed and played well when it was by rule not unisex. But it sure made me squirm.
The people who cheer the girl who plays little league baseball, never mind wrestles, with the boys are hypocrites if they do not demand the elimination of the discrimination against boys which inheres in girls' sports.
36 posted on 1/15/02 11:20 AM Pacific by conservatism_IS_compassion
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I betcha she could get pregnant any time she wanted to. If a 300-lb, musclepacked gal took an interest in anyone short of an NFL linebacker they would have a hard time saying no.
37 posted on 1/15/02 12:38 PM Pacific by wretchard
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Don't forget endurance !
Oh boy, how could I forget! And its not aerobic endurance, its a pure anaerobic endurance, basically your body is in a state of heavy oxygen debt at all times! We had football players who were on the team and would DREAD wrestling practice, said football practice paled in comparison..
38 posted on 1/15/02 12:38 PM Pacific by Paradox
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Women have much less muscle mass then men, and thats usually the difference.
But when you wrestle in weight classes, its less of a difference. Sure, the strength difference makes a different, and all else being equal, strength will win, but as my humbling experience showed, skill can beat strength.
39 posted on 1/15/02 12:42 PM Pacific by Paradox
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Hahahahahaa! Too cool- although I would personally never wrestle. Well, in school anyway. ;) Now I did want to play football but that got shot down right away. Too bad. They needed a place kicker badly...
40 posted on 1/15/02 1:02 PM Pacific by rintense
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Skill beats strength, but you better not be a LOT weaker than your opponent. In that case, you better hope your opponent just joined the wrestling team the day before yesterday...
The best women at the college level cant touch the 3rd stringer at most Division 3 schools... Theres a girl on my kids high school team; Gosh knows why she goes to practice... (wait a second........ I know!)
41 posted on 1/15/02 1:13 PM Pacific by Nonstatist
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Ellie May Clampett bump.
42 posted on 1/15/02 2:04 PM Pacific by onedoug
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My nephew's wrestling team featured a girl that won the league championship!
Her name was Ellie Mae Clampett
43 posted on 1/15/02 2:10 PM Pacific by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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This actually happened to a friend of mine in middle school (7th grade). He was pinned by a girl and was teased so badly he ended up quitting the team. As several people have said, it is a no win situation for the guy. Win and it means you beat up a girl, lose and you will be taunted unmercifully. I remember actually trying to keep my weight up (the opposite of what wrestlers usually do) to avoid being put in the position of having to wrestle her.
The real answer would seem to be that if there are enough girls/women interested in wrestling let them have their own programs. This would address not only the competitiveness concern (and I do think there are situations in lower weight classes where that a female wrestler could be competitive) but also the real embarrasment to the participants that detracts from the activity when you have coed wrestling programs.
45 posted on 1/15/02 2:39 PM Pacific by Steelerfan
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Regarding Ginelle Marquez and/or younger sister Jenny, I don't know if the guys would like to see her wrestle but I know they would like to see her box.
46 posted on 1/15/02 2:46 PM Pacific by TRY ONE
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Props on the Lita post. As for #8, problem is if it fuels his fantasy life during the match, he is going to have even more to be embarrassed about!
47 posted on 1/15/02 3:13 PM Pacific by Steelerfan
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